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Pino,

     We’ve had 2 ways of keeping in touch… this and fantasy baseball.

     The Rainer Beach Ballers made the playoffs again…

     You’ve dropped your team… again.

 

     Second ..

    …..   is this a blog.

 

     So research that yourself. 

     And then vote however you feel you need to.

 

     So be it the king has spoken.

     All praise King Flaco.

  

     Palin/Limbaugh 2012!

 

     Post Script… I’d vote for Palin to abort! 

      Limbaugh Too!

 

    

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Pino,

     Lets rumble.

     Your Post…

 

See, life begins at some point.  For some, it’s at inception.  When the swimmer beats the odds and merges with the egg and 1 cell turns into 2.  They say “That’s life.  The Spirit of the Providence is present and this is a child.”  Other say, nope, not till the moment the fetus is outside the body of the mother.”  I know where I stand, but, more important I think, is that people have a conversation about where life begins.  I suspect, for most of America, is begins much much sooner than “birth” and a bit after inception.  And I’m willing to work on that, compromise.  But really, at some point, that group of cells has what is inherently referred to as qualifications of person hood.  And that, THAT person has rights.  And simply not being wanted doesn’t trump their wanting.  Wanting a car, a degree, a glimps of sunshine….of being.  They, THEY get to choose too.  In fact, we afford them that choice, rather, right:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

In the end, it’s clear:

I, as a man, have a right to enter into opinion on this topic.

There are legitimate circumstances when the right to choose ought, Ought, be extended to the woman.

What we are talking about is a child.  A living being endowed with rights from the divine; as layed out by our Founders.

And you know that.

 

     So, I’ve said, and believe,  in pro life.    As a personal choice.  As a left leaning  voter  that smokes, drinks, and has short hair;  I am forced again to defend myself from a long-haired, commitable, GOP F#$%.

     I will continue to vote pro-choice.  As you will continue to vote pro life.

 

     So why?  As someone who is pro life… why?  Why would I vote pro choice.  Why?

 

     TWO REASONS…

     A WOMANS RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

     FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

 

     A womans right to choose is way to complex for you ….

     So       ….    layed out by our founders ….   we got this freedom of religion thing here in the United States of America. 

  

     So leave Christianity out of the conversation.

 

     I’m not in politics, neither are you. 

 

     Do you vote Christian or American?

 

 

     So be it the king has spoken.

     All praise King Flaco.

 

     Palin/Limbaugh 2012!

 

 

     Post Script  … 

 

     You wrote…

 

     So,  given that, I don’t wanna hear no story about “what if my bestest super duper friend in the whole world was raped, should she be forced to keep the child”?  No one thinks that she she be forced to.  Same with the health of the mother/baby.

 

     So dumbass… how do you vote?

 

     Back alley or Hospital?

     Do you vote Christian or American?

     ?

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Nice

Dear Flaco,

I see how it is.  Compromise means having your opponent walk to you while you stand still.

Got it!

I am going to use what you refer to as logic.  Only women who have been pregnant should be able to have an opinion and weigh in on this subject.  If you have not been pregnant, your opinion is kinda like pissin in the wind.

And you know it.

Love,

-pino

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Dear Flaco,

I understand that their are topics that generate the most fundamental fires within us.   That some things are so near and dear, so a priori in concept,  that we almost find ourselves unable to consider the “opposing” point of view.  And I understand that abortion is one of those things.  I get that, in fact, I resonate with that.  In fact, it rings deep within me to the very same extent that it rings within you.  This, to me, is as fundamental to my core as you find it to yours.  So, when you bring to me this moral high ground bull shit, I ain’t gonna back down.  In fact, I’m gonna bring it.

In order:

I fail to understand what me being a man has to do with anything.  As if, somehow, being one sex versus another in some way makes me unable to bring to the discussion the appropriate thought processes, empathy or intellect.  I am stunned at the double standard broght forth by this arguement.  Could you imagine the outrage and shock, OUTRAGE, if I posited that there was a certain topic that women were simply excluded from based on nothing more than the fact that they were women.  For example, women are not allowed to sevre in combat.  Therefore, since almost all war is really about combat, all women have ZERO say about deciding anything whats so ever about the terms and conditions of war.  Is that silly?  Over the top?  Ridiculous?

Yup.

And so is the fact that as a man, somehow I am lacking in some fundamental way that prohibits me from rendering my legit and valid opinion on this matter.

So, abortion will happen.  And so, because it will, we should make it legal.  So, knowing that home invasions will happen, and when done in the legal framework that make them illegal, people get hurt and sometimes die, we should…….yup.  Make them legal.  Because, you know, someone making a poor decision should be protected from that decision and therefore, whatever else we feel about that act, it should be rendered legal.  Cause, you know, wouldn’t want them to have to accept responsibility.

Now.

Stop.

Every single Pro-Life person I meet extends choice to the mother [funny word, that.  Mother.  Almost as if there was a, you know, child. I digress] in the case of:

  1. Victim of crime
  2. Health of mother/baby

So, given that, I don’t wanna hear no story about “what if my bestest super duper friend in the whole world was raped, should she be forced to keep the child”?  No one thinks that she she be forced to.  Same with the health of the mother/baby.

Lemme tell you a story.  Every single father to be has this dream.  It’s the day, you know, THE freakin day.  Mama exclaims it’s time, we have to go.  And go now!  So off to the hospital you go and yourin the room with the doc and the nurse and mamma is breathin and pushing and screamin and breathin and pushin and then, hmm, what the fuck, THAT scream was a different scream.  And the doc says to you, Dad, you have to wait outside, follow the nurse.  And then your worst fears are confirmed when the doc comes out to the waiting room and says “There is a problem, we won’t be able to save them both……”

EVERY SINGLE DAD HAS THIS DREAM!

I still have variations of it.  Car washed over a bridge, hostage scenario or home invasion.  Tsunami.  In fact, imagine the horror of dreaming that you can save 1 but not both of your children.  Awesome, that dream.  Some nights I can’t sleep for fear of it.

Point is, every freakin body understands health of baby/mother and the choice that most certainly be allowed in that scenario.  The liberal freakin left is NOT alone in their enlightenment of this concept.  And I would appreciate some acknowledgment of the same.

So, unless I am mistaken, we are in agreement so far in extending choice to the mother in several cases.  Which leaves us with the rest.

See, life begins at some point.  For some, it’s at inception.  When the swimmer beats the odds and merges with the egg and 1 cell turns into 2.  They say “That’s life.  The Spirit of the Providence is present and this is a child.”  Other say, nope, not till the moment the fetus is outside the body of the mother.”  I know where I stand, but, more important I think, is that people have a conversation about where life begins.  I suspect, for most of America, is begins much much sooner than “birth” and a bit after inception.  And I’m willing to work on that, compromise.  But really, at some point, that group of cells has what is inherently referred to as qualifications of person hood.  And that, THAT person has rights.  And simply not being wanted doesn’t trump their wanting.  Wanting a car, a degree, a glimps of sunshine….of being.  They, THEY get to choose too.  In fact, we afford them that choice, rather, right:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

In the end, it’s clear:

I, as a man, have a right to enter into opinion on this topic.

There are legitimate circumstances when the right to choose ought, Ought, be extended to the woman.

What we are talking about is a child.  A living being endowed with rights from the divine; as layed out by our Founders.

And you know that.

Love,

-pino

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Pino,

 

     First off I am amused that you believe this is a topic of debate between TWO GUYS.  Like we really understand.

     For those that don’t know;  I ,for the record,  am influenced in my voting to protect a womans’ right to choose.  Thats right … I vote pro choice.  My personal belief is that I am pro life (which some exceptions).  I am also aware as a voter that an unborn child’s life is involved in this.

     I vote this way for two reasons..

 

     First, Legal or not,  abortions will happen.  I’d rather have it done in a controlled environment then … somewhere else. 

 

     Secondly.  It really is a womans choice.  You might want to think you (we/all men) have a choice,  but you don’t.

 

     Question.  If your wife was raped (heaven forbid) and she decided she wanted to abort, would you say no?

                           Would it stop her from getting an abortion?

    

     Woman have complete and absolute control.

 

     So let’s chat about my exceptions…

          Rape.  Incest.  A mothers (or childs) health in danger. 

 

     Same Question (Part Two). If your wife wanted to carry the baby to term and keep the child, could you love that child as unconditionally as your own?

 

 

     So Pino wrote…

     And it is this; that no one is forcing a woman to or not to enter into a situation whereby life would be the logical result.  The government is not mandating that a woman have children.  Further, the government is not mandating that a woman can NOT have children. It is, in the end, only mandating that when she chooses to bring that child into existence that she not kill it.

 

     What if her pill fails and his rubber breaks?  Is it o.k. then?

 

    

 

     You vote your way, I’ll support the women.

 

 

     So be it.  The King has spoken.

     All praise King Flaco.

 

     Palin/ Limbaugh 2012! 

    

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Dear Flaco,

There are two things that are disingenuous about the abortion debate that focuses on a woman’s right to decide what to do or what not to do to her own body.

1.  That it is her body.

2. That it is strictly a choice.

See, I have found when I discuss this subject with people and they are trying to defend a pro-choice position, they are arguing in a manner that suggests that before they obtained the data and studied it carefeull and THEN arrived at a decision, they went about it in exactly the opposite way.  That is, they decided on what their position was and are now trying to go back and manufacture arguments that would support that conclusion.

I see this all the time in the

They are trying to control my reproduction organs

or

This is my body, I’ll do with it as I please.

You see, I have had trouble with these arguments in the past because, in the end, I kinda agree with them.  That is, I don’t think that someone should control the reproductive organs of a woman; or a man for that matte, but we’ll stick to the gals for now.  In that vein, I don’t think that you or I or the government should be able to tell a woman when to or when not to get pregnant.  Further, I don’t think that woman should be told in which manner and with whom they should get pregnant.  In short, the decisions regarding their “reproductive organs” should be their own.

Second is the concept that “my body is my body”.  Again, I agree with this concept.  I think that I should be allowed to smoke, or not.  Drink or not, too much or none at all.  McDonald’s hamburger?  Gimme 3!  Spinach–None for me thanks.  No one disagrees, this is your body, do with it what you want.  Go for it!

The rub, or course, is what happens when you make those decisions, you know, using or not your reproductive organs, and the whole “it’s my body” thing.  At that point, we leave behind the pre-existing assumptions andf enter into a whole new realm of new assumptions.  You see, we are now dealing with another human life.  And THAT life brings with it the benefit of her own rights.  In fact, the very same rights that the woman holding that life is claiming.  You see, life begins at the moment of inception.  It is at that time, that our Creator, the Great Architect of the Universe, sets in motion the the growth of a child.  Within mere moments, a heart beat is present, fingers and toes form and the brain begins to form.  And when that life is brought into being, we have an individual.  And that individual is worthy of her rights.

So, in the last several months, I have seen why I have been at odds with myself over this.  Why I have at the same time sided with the choicers who claim rights to their body and at the same time side with the lifers that claim each life is entitled to their own rights.  And it is this; that no one is forcing a woman to or not to enter into a situation whereby life would be the logical result.  The government is not mandating that a woman have children.  Further, the government is not mandating that a woman can NOT have children.  It is, in the end, only mandating that when she chooses to bring that child into existence that she not kill it.

And so we come to the part of the story where we show that pro-choice really means less choice.

NYTimes via TCIC

Paragraphs rendered.

Ms. Beyel, a 32-year-old with wavy brown hair and a purple T-shirt, stood outside the clinic, which offers abortion, birth control and pregnancy tests, one day this week and beamed a smile at an approaching woman. “Miss?” Ms. Beyel said, her smile widening. “I just want you to know that there are alternatives.”

Sometimes they try to persuade women to enter a run-down white R.V., parked across the street from a White Castle around the corner, where they offer free ultrasounds.

Shatih Tyner, 15, was steps away from entering the clinic with her boyfriend when Ms. Beyel stopped them on the sidewalk and persuaded Ms. Tyner to have an ultrasound.

After emerging from the R.V., Ms. Tyner decided against an abortion.

“It changed my mind, the sonogram, because I’ve seen my baby and I want to keep it,” she said on her way back to the subway.

Here we have someone, any someone, standing outside of a clinic that offers abortions and is advocating for another, step back this may hurt–another CHOICE!.  Crazy bitch!  And volunteers reveal that when women are shown a picture of their baby it’s a powerful revalation.  That woman may decide to CHOSE, to keep their baby.

For more fun, see this strategy that our pro-choice{?} use to advance their cause:

Abortion rights proponents leapt into action, fearing that too-real images of unborn fetuses might cost them popular support. After pressure from pro-choicers, G.E. pulled the TV ads, pulled testimonials from its website, and began marketing the technology solely for medical purposes. Several states banned the use of ultrasound for “nonmedical” purposes, including New York, where then–Attorney General Eliot Spitzer subpoenaed 34 anti-abortion crisis pregnancy centers for “practicing medicine without a license” because they used the technology.

Whole article here.

Dude, in the end, life is about-well, it’s about life.  And we can’t just go and let people snuff out life.  And you know that.

Love,

pino

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